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		<title>Lifeblood Battles: Ronald E. Poelman</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As noted in a previous post, Church leaders often struggle to control how the lifeblood of the Church (i.e., personal reassurance that one is on the path to salvation in the Celestial Kingdom–a concept I’ve termed “Hope”) is distributed to, and apportioned among, the members of the Church.  Below are two examples of such battles.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted in a <a href="../archives/1127/the-lifeblood-of-the-church" target="_blank">previous post</a>, Church leaders often struggle to control how the lifeblood of the Church (i.e., personal reassurance that one is on the path to salvation in the Celestial Kingdom–a concept I’ve termed “Hope”) is distributed to, and apportioned among, the members of the Church.  Below are two examples of such battles.</p>
<p><strong>Example 1:  Elder Poelman&#8217;s View of Divine Love:</strong></p>
<p>About a month after McConkie&#8217;s speech <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/1138/lifeblood-battles-george-pace" target="_blank">excoriating George Pace</a> for promoting the concept of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, Elder <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_E._Poelman" target="_blank">Ronald E. Poelman</a>, a fairly new member of the First Quorum of the Seventy (one level below the apostles in the Church hierarchy) gave an <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b432aeca0ea6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">address in General Conference</a> which appears to have been carefully worded to imply the existence of a personal relationship with the Lord, without crossing any of the lines that McConkie had drawn.  Elder Poelman&#8217;s talk included the following statement:<span id="more-1140"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>By disobeying the laws of God and breaking his commandments, we do offend him, we do estrange ourselves from him, and we don’t deserve his help and inspiration and strength. But God’s love for us transcends our transgressions.</p>
<p>&#8211;<em>God’s Love for Us Transcends Our Transgressions</em>, General Conference speech, delivered April 3, 1982</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s possible that I am reading too much into Poelman&#8217;s choice of words in this talk, but I note that he used concepts commonly reserved for personal relationships, like &#8220;estranged&#8221;, &#8220;reconciled&#8221;, &#8220;God wants us to return to Him&#8221;, and &#8220;God&#8217;s love for us, his children&#8221;, without using the actual word &#8220;relationship&#8221;. He also used the words &#8220;Lord&#8221; and &#8220;God&#8221; interchangeably, blurring the line between &#8220;God the Father&#8221; and &#8220;Jesus Christ&#8221;, a line McConkie had been very careful to draw in his BYU smackdown speech. Poelman suggested a concept of God&#8217;s love that was like a parent&#8217;s love: liberal, unconditional, and independent of any sins or disobedience we may engage in. This concept effectively takes God&#8217;s love out of the control of the Church by removing the possibility that conditions could be placed upon it by Church authorities.</p>
<p>If George Pace&#8217;s experience is any indication, Elder Poelman was skating on thin ice with this concept. But would Poelman&#8217;s status as a General Authority of the Church (rather than a religious educator) save him from the harsh correction of the top leadership? Well, McConkie didn&#8217;t crucify him for the speech, if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re wondering about.  Years later, however, Poelman&#8217;s concept of divine love as unconditional in nature was definitively superseded by a <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=7ef276e6ffe0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">2003 article</a> written by Apostle Russell M. Nelson, which places God&#8217;s love back in control of the Church by explicitly conditioning it on obedience:</p>
<blockquote><p>While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">***</p>
<p>Why is divine love conditional? Because God loves us and wants us to be happy. &#8220;Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, <em>if</em> we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, <strong>and keeping all the commandments of God</strong>.&#8221;<sup>1</sup></p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;Divine Love&#8221;, <em>Ensign</em>, Feb 2003, p. 20 (emphasis added)</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Elder Nelson&#8217;s article was specifically prompted by Elder Poelman&#8217;s view of God&#8217;s love (I don&#8217;t think Poelman&#8217;s 1982 talk was especially influential in 2003), rather, Poelman&#8217;s view is symbolic of the very common belief among members of the LDS Church that God has unconditional love for them. They aspire to model their own love for others based on this unconditionality. The persistence of that belief is what, I think, prompted Elder Nelson&#8217;s article, which puts an official stamp of disapproval on the concept, reclaiming for the Church (and its leaders) its traditional place between the Latter-day Saints and God.</p>
<p><strong>Example 2:  Elder Poelman&#8217;s View of the Gospel and the Church:</strong></p>
<p>On October 7, 1984 (an appropriately Orwellian year), Ronald E. Poelman&#8217;s General Conference talk became the most famous casualty to date in the ongoing battle for control over the lifeblood of the Church.</p>
<p>His talk was titled &#8220;The Gospel and the Church&#8221;, and it was about recognizing distinctions between the Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Poelman emphasized, among other things, that following the Gospel makes members of the Church less dependent on the Church for fulfillment, and that concepts of Mormon &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; and conformity should be founded on the eternal laws of God, like free (moral) agency, rather than the institutional Church.  Prior to publication and distribution of the talk (in print and video format) to members of the Church worldwide, the talk was drastically rewritten, and the new talk was refilmed (and spliced into the conference program tape as if originally delivered there).  The edited talk now focused on the harmonious &#8220;essential relationship&#8221; between the Church and the Gospel, and it emphasized the members&#8217; dependence on the instruction of the Church and its leaders in order to correctly follow the Gospel.  The original version of the talk, as far as the Church was concerned, disappeared down the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole#Origins" target="_blank">memory hole</a>.</p>
<p>Fortunately, however, people had recorded the original television broadcast of the talk (see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcM7koDc-jg" target="_blank">[Part 1]</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUv4nca4Gc&amp;feature=related" target="_blank">[Part 2]</a>), and in November 1984, when the Church <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4ce405481ae6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">published the altered version</a> of the talk, people transcribed the original talk and compared the two versions.<sup>2</sup>  For a side-by-side comparision of the entire talk, <a href="http://www.lds-mormon.com/poelman.shtml" target="_blank">Click Here</a>.  Below are some highlights:</p>
<p>1)         Original quote (deletions marked):</p>
<blockquote><p>As individually and collectively we increase our knowledge, acceptance, and application of gospel principles, <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">we become less dependent on Church programs</span>. Our lives become gospel centered.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Edited quote:</p>
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<blockquote><p>As individually and collectively we increase our knowledge, acceptance, and application of gospel principles, we <span style="text-decoration: underline;">can more effectively utilize the Church to make</span> our lives more gospel centered.</p>
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<p>2)        Original quote (deletions marked):</p>
<blockquote><p>The conformity we require should be according to God&#8217;s standards.  The orthodoxy upon which we insist must be founded in fundamental principles and eternal law<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">, including free agency and the divine uniqueness of the individual</span>.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Edited quote:</p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Therefore, as we live the gospel and participate in the Church,</span> the conformity we require <span style="text-decoration: underline;">of ourselves and of others</span> should be according to God&#8217;s standards.  The orthodoxy upon which we insist must be founded in fundamental principles, eternal law<span style="text-decoration: underline;">, and direction given by those authorized in the Church</span>.</p>
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<p>3)        Original quote (deletions marked):</p>
<blockquote><p>When we understand the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">difference</span> between the gospel and the Church <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">and the appropriate function of each</span> in our daily lives, we are much more likely to do the right things for the right reasons.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Edited quote:</p>
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<blockquote><p>When we see the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">harmony</span> between the gospel and the Church in our daily lives, we are much more likely to do the right things for the right reasons.</p>
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<p>4)        Original quote (deletions marked):</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Institutional discipline is replaced by</span> self discipline.  <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Supervision is replaced by</span> righteous initiative and a sense of divine accountability.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Edited quote:</p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">We will exercise</span> self discipline and righteous initiative <span style="text-decoration: underline;">guided by Church leaders</span> and a sense of divine accountability.</p>
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<p>The details of how a completely new version of Poelman&#8217;s talk came about are not publicly known, and it is doubtful that the folks involved in the censoring will ever explain what happened, as Elder Poelman was, and continues to be, a loyal General Authority of the Church.  Clearly, however, the edits made by the Church to Poelman&#8217;s talk demonstrate Church leaders&#8217; insistence on asserting themselves into the middle of the relationship between Church members and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  By doing this, the Church leaders retain control over Hope, the lifeblood of the Church system.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
<p>_________________________</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUv4nca4Gc&amp;feature=related" target="_blank"></a></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1140" class="footnote">As an aside, this statement quoted by Elder Nelson comes from a letter written by Joseph Smith to 19 year-old Nancy Rigdon, in an attempt to persuade her to be his secret polygamous bride, using the rationale that anything God commands is automatically moral and right. She was ultimately unconvinced, and showed the letter to her father, Sidney Rigdon (Joseph&#8217;s second-in-command). Joseph allegedly told Sidney that the letter had just been a test of his daughter&#8217;s virtue. The episode remains one of Joseph Smith&#8217;s creepiest <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(biology)" target="_blank">alpha-maleish</a> abuses of power.  With that context in mind, Elder Nelson&#8217;s use of the quote raises questions. What kind of &#8220;happiness&#8221; was Elder Nelson thinking of? The kind that comes only through fully submitting to the authority of Church leaders? Very clever, Russ.</li><li id="footnote_1_1140" class="footnote">The incident was <a href="https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/045-44-57.pdf" target="_blank">reported in Sunstone Magazine</a>.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<description><![CDATA[As noted in a previous post, Church leaders often struggle to control how the lifeblood of the Church (i.e., personal reassurance that one is on the path to salvation in the Celestial Kingdom&#8211;a concept I&#8217;ve termed &#8220;Hope&#8221;) is distributed to, and apportioned among, the members of the Church. Below is an example of one such battle.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted in a <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/1127/the-lifeblood-of-the-church" target="_blank">previous post</a>, Church leaders often struggle to control how the lifeblood of the Church (i.e., personal reassurance that one is on the path to salvation in the Celestial Kingdom&#8211;a concept I&#8217;ve termed &#8220;Hope&#8221;) is distributed to, and apportioned among, the members of the Church. Below is an example of one such battle.</p>
<p>In the early 1980&#8217;s, a BYU professor named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Pace" target="_blank">George Pace</a> had previously <a href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6077" target="_blank">given speeches</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Pace#Published_works" target="_blank">written a book</a> promoting the idea that people should &#8220;center their lives on Christ and&#8230;develop their own personal relationship with Him.&#8221; Even though Pace was simply echoing ideas recently <a href="http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1976.htm/ensign%20november%201976.htm/a%20personal%20relationship%20with%20the%20savior%20.htm?f=templates$fn=document-frame.htm$3.0$q=$x=" target="_blank">taught in General Conference</a> by then-apostle (and future First Presidency Counselor) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Faust" target="_blank">James E. Faust</a>, his &#8220;taking out the middle man&#8221; approach to interacting with the Savior prompted a <a href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843" target="_blank">humiliating public rebuke</a> from Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, which included the following counsel:<span id="more-1138"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>The proper course for all of us is to stay in the mainstream of the Church. This is the Lord&#8217;s Church, and it is led by the spirit of inspiration, and the practice of the Church constitutes the interpretation of the scripture.</p>
<p>And you have never heard one of the First Presidency or the Twelve, who hold the keys of the kingdom, and who are appointed to see that we are not &#8220;tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine&#8221; (Ephesians 4:14)&#8211;you have never heard one of them advocate this excessive zeal that calls for gaining a so-called special and personal relationship with Christ.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">***</p>
<p>I wonder if it is not part of Lucifer&#8217;s system to make people feel they are special friends of Jesus when in fact they are not following the normal and usual pattern of worship found in the true Church.</p>
<p>&#8211;<em>Our Relationship with the Lord</em>, BYU Devotional speech, delivered March 1, 1982</p></blockquote>
<p>George Pace&#8217;s idea had (inadvertantly or not) removed the Church and those leaders &#8220;who hold the keys of the kingdom&#8221; from their position as mediators between Church members and the Savior, and in doing so, had given Church members a means of independently obtaining Hope, through their personal connection with Jesus Christ. Elder McConkie put Pace, and the rest of his Lucifer-inspired (possibly unintentional) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism" target="_blank">populists</a> in their place. In McConkie&#8217;s view, only the prophets and apostles have the right to a special or personal relationship with Christ. Only the prophets and apostles have the power to prescribe the proper way for mankind to approach God and obtain salvation.  Hope is managed and apportioned through them.</p>
<p>After McConkie&#8217;s rebuke, Pace <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.org/Relationship_with_Jesus#Pace.27s_apology" target="_blank">apologized</a> for his impertinence:</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean to stay in the mainstream of the Church, urging any with whom I have influence to listen to the words of our leaders, to pray earnestly for guidance, and to grow spiritually in our capacity to be obedient to the will and mind of God for us, giving full and appropriate reverence to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.</p></blockquote>
<p>-PWM</p>
<p>____________________________</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was browsing the internet the other day and found a really interesting blog that discusses events and hot topics at BYU&#8217;s Provo campus. In this post about the conflict between the religious world and the secular world, the liberal-leaning Mormon author seems to support (very tentatively and with ample obligatory qualifications to deflect charges [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was browsing the internet the other day and found a really interesting blog that discusses events and hot topics at BYU&#8217;s Provo campus. In <a href="http://www.byureport.com/2009/11/im-christian-but-im-not-insane.html" target="_blank">this post</a> about the conflict between the religious world and the secular world, the liberal-leaning Mormon author seems to support (very tentatively and with ample obligatory qualifications to deflect charges of heresy, since he is a BYU student) the view that the creation account in Genesis (six days, etc.) is just a metaphor, not literally true.</p>
<p>This seems like a neat and tidy way to avoid conflicts between science and religion&#8211;just treat the religious view as a divinely-inspired metaphor only.<br />
<span id="more-615"></span>The strategy carries forward to other events described in the Bible that conflict with science (e.g., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark#Historicity:_The_Ark_and_science" target="_blank">Noah&#8217;s Ark</a> (and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology" target="_blank">the flood</a>) , or even <a href="http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm" target="_blank">the Exodus</a>). Once science has persuaded you that the events probably didn&#8217;t actually happen the way the Bible says (and perhaps you were taught to believe), you simply thank science and conclude that they&#8217;re just metaphors.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually easy for a Mormon to do this with the Bible, because Mormons believe the Bible to be the word of God <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1/8#1" target="_blank">only to the extent that it has been translated correctly</a>, and the current version of the Bible is missing many <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/13/24-29#21" target="_blank">&#8220;plain and precious things&#8221;</a> that were removed or otherwise corrupted since the books were first written. In the mainstream LDS view, the Bible is already a potential minefield of half-truths and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/song/1/1a#1a" target="_blank">uninspired poetry</a>, so relabeling seemingly literal elements as metaphorical in light of new scientific knowledge is no big deal.</p>
<p>But what about taking that same approach with the Book of Mormon?</p>
<p>Such an approach is rarely seen in the LDS Church, if ever. Joseph Smith once said that the Book of Mormon is &#8220;the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion.&#8221; That quote is <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/introduction" target="_blank">proudly printed in the introduction</a> of every copy of the Book of Mormon published by the LDS Church, as is the following challenge to the world: &#8220;We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true.&#8221; Now, as a Mormon with those sweeping declarations ringing in your ears and permeating your concept of the religion, which Book of Mormon stories are you going to declare to be not literally true? I didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean, of course, that events and facts depicted in Book of Mormon stories don&#8217;t conflict with the discoveries of science. In fact, I would assert that under scientific scrutiny, the Book of Mormon fares significantly worse than the Bible (which is saying a lot, considering the Bible&#8217;s track record). Here are a few clear opportunities to label Book of Mormon stories as metaphors that mainstream Mormons never take:</p>
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<li>The American Indians, who the Church (<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695226008,00.html" target="_blank">until 2006</a>) believed were descended principally from large Semitic nations that dominated the Americas for about 1000 years (Nephites and Lamanites), as chronicled in the Book of Mormon,<sup>1</sup> are <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-07-26-dna-lds_x.htm" target="_blank">actually genetically Asian</a>. Their ancestors came from Siberia to the American continent via a land bridge that existed anciently.</li>
<li>Crucial Book of Mormon animals (horses, domesticated cattle, elephants, domesticated sheep, goats, swine)? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Horses" target="_blank">No trace.</a></li>
<li>Crucial Book of Mormon ores and alloys (iron and steel)? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Steel_and_iron" target="_blank">No trace.</a></li>
<li>Millions of Jaredites and hundreds of thousands of Nephites and Lamanites (numbers rivaling the size of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans) who died on the same battlefield, years apart? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Archaeological_evidence_of_large_populations" target="_blank">No trace.</a></li>
<li>The Book of Mormon&#8217;s Jaredite civilization is supposed to have formed in the wake of the miraculous confounding of human languages at the Tower of Babel. LDS apologist <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=28" target="_blank">John L. Sorenson places the date of that event</a> at the unreasonably early date of 3100 BC<sup>2</sup>. Even accepting this strained, faith-accommodating date as the best estimate for the event, it is still right around the generally accepted date of the emergence of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_cuneiform" target="_blank">Sumerian writing system</a> (3100 BC), which developed long after humans were already speaking <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language" target="_blank">Sumerian</a> and any number of other languages, not the mythical &#8220;Adamic&#8221; language.</li>
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<p>For somebody taking the &#8220;inspired metaphor&#8221; approach, just the few conflicts between the Book of Mormon and scientific consensus listed above seem to place the entire Book of Mormon narrative in the category of metaphor. It&#8217;s no wonder this approach <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4a5557b60090c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1" target="_blank">is not accepted in mainstream Mormonism</a>&#8211;as applied to any LDS Scripture, including the Bible and the Book of Mormon. This rejection of the &#8220;inspired metaphor&#8221; approach places mainstream Mormons in the same camp as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_science" target="_blank">creationists</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design" target="_blank">intelligent design proponents</a>.</p>
<p>Definitely not my camp.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_615" class="footnote">For example, the Nephites and Lamanites <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/hel/11/20#20" target="_blank">&#8220;did cover the whole face of the land, both on the northward and on the southward, from the sea west to the sea east</a>&#8220;</li><li id="footnote_1_615" class="footnote">I think 3100 BC is early because the Book of Mormon indicates that only <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/1/1,5-33#1" target="_blank">about 30 generations</a> of Jaredites lived prior to the civilization&#8217;s demise sometime after <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/omni/1/20-22#20" target="_blank">600 BC</a>, which requires an unthinkable 80+ years per generation, if we take Sorenson&#8217;s early date. With this in mind, the more mainstream Christian/LDS date (acknowledged by Sorenson) of around 2200 BC seems early too (50+ years per generation). Using Sorenson&#8217;s dates, about 125 generations (20 years per generation) would be more reasonable, but possibly still a bit low. But it doesn&#8217;t matter. What matters is that as far as science is concerned, the chronology of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth">Middle Earth</a> is just as real.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<description><![CDATA[My professor at BYU once asked us to read the first couple of chapters of the Book of Mormon&#8211;the First Book of Nephi. The book starts with a story about Nephi&#8217;s father, a well-heeled man named Lehi, who has a vision from God, in which the Lord tells him to pack up his things, leave [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/123/the-path-from-lds-to-flds" target="_blank">My professor at BYU</a> once asked us to read the first couple of chapters of the Book of Mormon&#8211;the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1" target="_blank">First Book of Nephi</a>. The book starts with a story about Nephi&#8217;s father, a well-heeled man named Lehi, who has a vision from God, in which the Lord tells him to pack up his things, leave his home in Jerusalem, and depart with his family into the wilderness. Lehi obeys, but some of his sons are harder to convince than others that Jerusalem is to be destroyed and that wandering in the wilderness is the will of God for them. The skeptical sons in the family are Laman and Lemuel, and the believers are Nephi and Sam. My professor asked us, as devout Mormons, which of the brothers we were like.</p>
<p>In case you are wondering, the right answer is always &#8220;Nephi&#8221;.<span id="more-118"></span></p>
<p>When my professor heard that answer from us, he laughed. He told us that if a guy like Lehi were to tell us to leave our homes and go camping with him for an indefinite period of time to escape the evils of our community in Provo, Utah, we&#8211;along with most other Mormons&#8211;would refuse out-of-hand, saying something like</p>
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<div id="1_ne/17/22" onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">We know that the people in Provo are a righteous people; for they keep the statutes and judgments of the Lord, and all his commandments, and go to church every Sunday, according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ; wherefore, we know that they are a righteous people; and you are judging them (which you are not supposed to do), and you are only trying to lead us away because you think we are gullible.</div>
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<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">Very similar words, of course, are spoken by the rebellious (and latently evil) Laman and Lemuel in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/17/22#22" target="_blank">1Ne 17:22</a>:</div>
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<div onclick="return toggleMarked(event, this)">22 And we know that the people who were in the land of Jerusalem were a righteous people; for they kept the statutes and judgments of the Lord, and all his commandments, according to the law of Moses; wherefore, we know that they are a righteous people; and our father hath judged them, and hath led us away because we would hearken unto his words&#8230;</div>
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<p>My professor thought that we students, and most other mainstream Mormons, would probably not have seriously considered following Lehi, because we were already convinced that our church leaders, and LDS culture along with them, were on the right path. We fully bought into the mainstream LDS idea that if we stick with the herd, we cannot be led astray.<sup>1</sup><sup>2</sup><sup>3</sup><sup>4</sup></p>
<p>Nephi, on the other hand, was not dogmatic about the perfect safety of sticking with the Lord&#8217;s chosen people. Even Laman and Lemuel, despite their complaining, still abandoned the chosen people of God to follow Lehi into the wilderness.</p>
<p>My professor&#8217;s point was that we shouldn&#8217;t give Laman and Lemuel such a hard time for their difficulty conforming to the expectations of their highly non-conformist father Lehi. To ignore or discard the expectations of one&#8217;s culture is abnormal and often imprudent. Laman and Lemuel were normal and prudent, operating within the paradigm in which they were raised. They had firm concepts of right and wrong, and they believed the religious dogma they were taught when they were young. Just like most Mormons.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_118" class="footnote"> &#8220;The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty.&#8221; &#8211;President Wilford Woodruff, Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in <em>Deseret Evening News,</em> October 11, 1890, p. 2.; see also <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/od/1" target="_blank">D&amp;C Official Declaration &#8212; 1</a></li><li id="footnote_1_118" class="footnote">“Joseph the Prophet … said, ‘Brethren, remember that the majority of this people will never go astray; and as long as you keep with the majority you are sure to enter the celestial kingdom.’ ” &#8211;Apostle Orson Hyde, <em>Deseret News: Semi-Weekly,</em> June 21, 1870, p. 3.</li><li id="footnote_2_118" class="footnote">“I have heard the Prophet speak in public on many occasions. In one meeting I heard him say: ‘I will give you a key that will never rust,—if you will stay with the majority of the Twelve Apostles, and the records of the Church, you will never be led astray.’ The history of the Church has proven this to be true.” &#8211;William G. Nelson, in “Joseph Smith, the Prophet,” <em>Young Woman’s Journal,</em> Dec. 1906, p. 543; paragraph divisions altered.</li><li id="footnote_3_118" class="footnote">“I heard the Prophet Joseph say that he would give the Saints a key whereby they would never be led away or deceived, and that was: The Lord would never suffer a majority of this people to be led away or deceived by imposters, nor would He allow the records of this Church to fall into the hands of the enemy.” &#8211;Ezra T. Clark, “The Testimony of Ezra T. Clark,” July 24, 1901, Farmington, Utah; in Heber Don Carlos Clark, Papers, ca. 1901–74, typescript, Church Archives.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Camping at the Periphery</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was born and raised a Mormon, in the LDS Church.  At 19 years of age, I volunteered to be a missionary for the Church and was sent to a foreign country to spread the Gospel for two years.   Upon returning home, I was fully committed to Mormonism.  I believed that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born and raised a Mormon, in the LDS Church.  At 19 years of age, I volunteered to be a missionary for the Church and was sent to a foreign country to spread the Gospel for two years.   Upon returning home, I was fully committed to Mormonism.  I believed that its doctrines were literally heaven-sent, and that it was the one pure source of philosophical, spiritual, religious, and even secular Truth in this world.  I liked Mormon social institutions and the support they provided me as I followed the path of Truth.  I felt lucky to have been born a Mormon.</p>
<p><span id="more-8"></span>I attended Brigham Young University, and within a few of years of fairly intense study there, I found that current LDS beliefs and practices didn&#8217;t match up with past LDS beliefs and practices, and that both the present and the past Church left much to be desired as God&#8217;s beacon of Truth, wisdom, and enlightenment.  I graduated from &#8220;the Lord&#8217;s University&#8221; with a BA, a pregnant wife, a kid, and very little religious faith in Mormonism.  I tried hard to find an explanation for the state of the LDS Church that could reassure me that God was involved somehow in running the show, but reassurance never came.  I dealt with my severe disappointment by resolving to not take Mormonism so seriously, and to focus on the good that the LDS Church was about as a social institution, rather than its Truth, which I found had a tendency to crumble under scrutiny.</p>
<p>In spring of 2003, after I graduated from BYU,  I listened to an address delivered by LDS Church Apostle Jeffery R. Holland, titled <em><a href="http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,89-1-353-29,00.html" target="_blank">A Prayer for the Children</a></em>. In it, he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I speak carefully and lovingly to any of the adults of the Church, parents or  otherwise, who may be given to cynicism or skepticism, who in matters of  whole-souled devotion always seem to hang back a little, who at the Church’s  doctrinal campsite always like to pitch their tents out on the periphery of  religious faith. To all such—whom we do love and wish were more comfortable  camping nearer to us—I say, please be aware that the full price to be paid for such a stance does not always come due in your lifetime. No, sadly, some  elements of this can be a kind of profligate national debt, with payments coming  out of your children’s and grandchildren’s pockets in far more expensive ways than you ever intended it to be.</p></blockquote>
<p>As friendly and gentle as Holland tried to make his words sound, the curse (or threat) they carried rang harshly in my ears.  He was telling me that I must exchange my reticent skepticism and critical thinking for an outward show of &#8220;whole-souled devotion&#8221; to the LDS Church, or there would be hell to pay.  I almost laughed when, a moment later, he declared that in the process of learning about the Gospel, &#8220;there is no place for     coercion     or manipulation, no place for intimidation or hypocrisy.&#8221;  (Coulda fooled me, Jeffrey!)  Over the course of his talk, Holland&#8217;s clear expectation of conformity at all costs marked the first (and not the last) time the rhetoric of an LDS Church leader rubbed me the wrong way.  I was sincere in my skepticism; I had good reason for it.  This Apostle was asking me to be insincere about my beliefs with my own children.</p>
<p>Hearing that manipulative pap from a man who was supposedly one of Jesus Christ&#8217;s key representatives on Earth was a monumental experience for me.  It marked the moment that I realized there may no longer be a place for me at the LDS campfire, and I decided then to embrace my skepticism and critical thinking and set up camp at the periphery of Mormonism.  And here I have remained, a poor wayfaring man of sorts, not really welcome in my own culture.</p>
<p>Who am I?</p>
<p>You might actually know me.  I may have been an anonymous member of your ward, trying my best to blend into the background, biting my tongue in Sunday School, or maybe even serving in a bishopric.  Don&#8217;t worry, even if I do happen to be living in your ward, I generally steer clear of the whole-souled devotees now.  All of the inauthenticity I&#8217;m required to hide behind at church has made the LDS Sunday experience very tedious for me, so I prefer not to participate.  But my wife and children still go to LDS Church meetings nearly every Sunday, and that keeps Mormonism on my mind.</p>
<p>You will probably hear more from me.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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