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		<title>About the Kids</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader posted a comment recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my previous post, and the second one here.
Mormon Woman Wondering asked:
Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery#comment-309" target="_blank">posted a comment</a> recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/707/the-pain-of-lost-faith" target="_blank">previous post</a>, and the second one here.</p>
<p>Mormon Woman Wondering asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in this world.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a tough question, particularly for somebody like me, with a spouse who is active in the Church, and who wants our kids to be active too.  Obviously, my solution is a compromise, and could possibly have been different if she felt differently.  But I think this solution does take into account the potential need for kids to have something to hold onto as they develop their own worldview.<span id="more-710"></span></p>
<p>As background, I think it is useful to note that my wife and I share the opinion that childhood is a key time for a person to learn basic lessons about how the world works, and the older a person gets, the more costly those lessons will generally become (e.g., getting caught cheating on a test when you are eight years old is less costly than getting caught cheating on a final exam in college).  As parents, we have a chance to control, to a significant extent, the circumstances under which our children get their lessons, in order to best help them prepare for adulthood and the real world.  The issue my wife and I are dealing with, then, is deciding which circumstances are best for teaching our kids the lessons.</p>
<p>My wife believes that going to church is a good way for the kids to get some of those lessons, and at the age the kids are at right now (5-9 years old), I agree.  At this age, the church teaches kids simple lessons about gratitude, sharing with others, respect for other people, honesty, obedience, and other basic concepts that help them get along in society.  The fact that these lessons are often taught in the context of myths and legends about Joseph Smith, or characters in the Book of Mormon or Bible, is not that big of a deal to me.  I think children are well-equipped to learn through stories that are presented as true, whether they actually are or not.  It is not much different to me than using any other more conventional fairy tales to teach morality and ethics (i.e. Goldilocks and the Three Bears, or Santa Claus), so I have gone along with the process, limiting my input to questions meant to gauge their understanding of the lessons they learn in church.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go to church, and my kids notice that.  But just like times when they notice that Santa doesn&#8217;t being me very many presents, I refrain from completely leveling with them.  My response so far has been to say that I have graduated from church, just like I graduated from school.  I can say this with sincerity, because it is the truth, from my perspective.  It works as an answer for my kids and my wife, because, just like school, I am not giving them a reason to give her trouble about staying home.  They go and learn their lessons, just like their mom and I went when we were their age, and they will have a chance to &#8220;graduate&#8221; when they are old enough to make that decision.  We have stayed vague about the details of graduation.</p>
<p>Of course, as our kids get older, the focus of the lessons taught in the Church will gradually change from teaching them basic moral and ethical concepts to indoctrinating them into the LDS worldview (regarding gender roles, sexuality, sin, Truth, religious authority, non-LDS beliefs, etc.).  I do have serious concerns about that, but my wife and I haven&#8217;t formally developed a game plan for dealing with it yet.  I might write more about the issue in a future post.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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		<title>The Pain of Lost Faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader posted a comment recently, asking two questions. Good ones. I will answer one of them here, and the other one in my next post.
Mormon Woman Wondering asked:
Please help me understand how you bore the gut-hole created by losing your faith.
I am not sure I understand what &#8220;gut-hole&#8221; means in this context. I have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery#comment-309" target="_blank">posted a comment</a> recently, asking two questions. Good ones. I will answer one of them here, and the other one in my <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/710/about-the-kids" target="_blank">next post</a>.</p>
<p>Mormon Woman Wondering asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Please help me understand how you bore the gut-hole created by losing your faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not sure I understand what &#8220;gut-hole&#8221; means in this context. I have some guesses: Is it the psychological turmoil a person goes through when the philosophical basis for her lifestyle and choices is revealed to be deeply flawed and unreliable, and needs to be replaced? Is it the anxiety that accompanies the realization that she doesn&#8217;t know what to replace it with? Is it the nagging worry that she has set her children up to fail&#8211;to trust people and ideas that are not trustworthy? Is it the disappointment at finding that so much of her life has been spent earnestly pursuing and investing in what is ultimately a high-stakes fantasy?<span id="more-707"></span></p>
<p>I think I relate to each of these possibilities, but the intensity of my experience has probably been tempered by the fact that I could never really fully commit to the social aspects of the LDS Church. I grew up in Salt Lake City, but never went to a stake dance, never attended a single&#8217;s ward, and never had friendships that started at church. In fact, a large proportion of my friends were not active members of the Church, and I spent my weekends with a mother who left the Church when I was four years old. The social experience was not why I went to Church every week, so changing my mind about Mormonism didn&#8217;t require much of a change in my lifestyle (i.e., I didn&#8217;t lose any important social outlets, business relationships, etc.). As an adult, I went to church in an effort to test and prove Mormonism as an exceptional and holy way of life&#8211;I lived my life as if Mormonism was everything it claimed to be, but I never forgot that I was making assumptions about it that needed to be confirmed. I also took a few years to gradually scale back my participation, and I left while my kids were small (all below 5 years old). I think all of that has taken an edge off of the angst that other people who stop believing have to deal with.</p>
<p>Even if my angst was tempered by the happy accident of my personality and life circumstances, I&#8217;ve still had my share of inner turmoil as I considered my terribly flawed reasons for making huge life decisions (marriage, kids, career, etc.), and the likelihood that they would turn out to be bad risks and huge mistakes. I&#8217;ve found a bit of comfort, however, in a very strange place (for a Mormon). In high school, I read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)" target="_blank"><em>Siddhartha</em>, by Herman Hesse</a>, and a central theme of the novel has always resonated with me: paths we take in life, things we commit to, choices we make, situations we find ourselves in, even if they end in disaster, are experiences that give us more insight into reality. Thus, neither successes nor failures are wasted experiences&#8211;we gain wisdom and understanding from both.<sup>1</sup> Once I accept that idea, it&#8217;s hard for me to get too worked up about having spent a couple of decades in an authoritarian religion. The experience taught me valuable lessons that apply to broader aspects of humanity (business organizations, government, etc.), and have helped me better understand how the world works.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
<p>___________________________</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_707" class="footnote">Mormonism actually teaches a species of this concept too, in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/122/5-7#5" target="_blank">D&amp;C 122:5-7</a>.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Jack Mormons and Apostates</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are basically two kinds of people who leave the LDS Church. I will call them &#8220;Jack Mormons&#8221; and &#8220;Apostates&#8221;. Apostates are people who leave (or are excommunicated) because they have stopped believing in some or all of the religious tenets of the LDS faith. Jack Mormons are people who leave (or are excommunicated) for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are basically two kinds of people who leave the LDS Church. I will call them &#8220;Jack Mormons&#8221; and &#8220;Apostates&#8221;. Apostates are people who leave (or are excommunicated) because they have stopped believing in some or all of the religious tenets of the LDS faith. Jack Mormons are people who leave (or are excommunicated) for reasons other than non-belief, like being unable or unwilling to follow the rules, or because of interpersonal conflicts with other community members.</p>
<p><span id="more-149"></span>Jack Mormons, despite having left the Church, continue to view the world essentially through the lens of Mormonism, and maintain the essential beliefs of the mainstream LDS Church. They are basically <em>orthodox</em> (i.e., correct in their religious beliefs), but they are not <em>orthoprax</em> (i.e., correct in their religious practices). Jack Mormons and mainstream members of the LDS Church get along pretty well, because Jack Mormons confirm and support LDS religious beliefs; their only problem is failing to obey the rules.   They agree that they aren&#8217;t doing what they are &#8220;supposed&#8221; to do, and they can often be coaxed back into participation.</p>
<p>Apostates are a different story. Apostates and mainstream members of the LDS Church generally have a much harder time getting along, because Apostates are often neither orthodox nor orthoprax&#8211;they have knowingly discarded the essential LDS paradigm and beliefs, and that is why they do not obey the rules. The dynamic of the relationship is different from the relationship with Jack Mormons&#8211;it&#8217;s not merely about participating (&#8221;active&#8221;) vs. non-participating (&#8221;inactive&#8221;) Mormons, it&#8217;s about believing vs. non-believing Mormons. When believing Mormons engage Apostates, they come dangerously close to questioning their own beliefs, and becoming Apostates themselves. Not surprisingly, the LDS Church openly demonizes and belittles people it considers to be Apostates, and teaches that they are covenant-breaking servants of Satan (see, for example, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=3518b00367c45110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">this 2007 adult Sunday school lesson, titled &#8220;Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy&#8221;</a>, which was recently presented in LDS congregations worldwide).</p>
<p>Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland <a href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-1117-28,00.html" target="_blank">recently publicly belittled</a> people who don&#8217;t believe in the literal historicity of the Book of Mormon.  He called them &#8220;foolish&#8221;, &#8220;misled&#8221;, and &#8220;deceived&#8221;, and derided their attempts to explain the origins of the Book of Mormon  in naturalistic terms as &#8220;pathetic&#8221;.  He likened people who leave the Church for intellectual reasons to insects or vermin of some sort who have to &#8220;crawl over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make that exit.&#8221;   Jeffrey R. Holland apparently likes to pontificate about the awful fates and consequences that await intellectual dissenters from the Church (<a href="http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,89-1-353-29,00.html" target="_blank">and their children</a>).  I wrote more about that <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Obviously, if you want to leave, but still maintain relatively positive contact and open relationships with members of LDS communities, it is easier to be a Jack Mormon than to be an Apostate.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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