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		<title>About the Kids</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader posted a comment recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my previous post, and the second one here.
Mormon Woman Wondering asked:
Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery#comment-309" target="_blank">posted a comment</a> recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/707/the-pain-of-lost-faith" target="_blank">previous post</a>, and the second one here.</p>
<p>Mormon Woman Wondering asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in this world.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a tough question, particularly for somebody like me, with a spouse who is active in the Church, and who wants our kids to be active too.  Obviously, my solution is a compromise, and could possibly have been different if she felt differently.  But I think this solution does take into account the potential need for kids to have something to hold onto as they develop their own worldview.<span id="more-710"></span></p>
<p>As background, I think it is useful to note that my wife and I share the opinion that childhood is a key time for a person to learn basic lessons about how the world works, and the older a person gets, the more costly those lessons will generally become (e.g., getting caught cheating on a test when you are eight years old is less costly than getting caught cheating on a final exam in college).  As parents, we have a chance to control, to a significant extent, the circumstances under which our children get their lessons, in order to best help them prepare for adulthood and the real world.  The issue my wife and I are dealing with, then, is deciding which circumstances are best for teaching our kids the lessons.</p>
<p>My wife believes that going to church is a good way for the kids to get some of those lessons, and at the age the kids are at right now (5-9 years old), I agree.  At this age, the church teaches kids simple lessons about gratitude, sharing with others, respect for other people, honesty, obedience, and other basic concepts that help them get along in society.  The fact that these lessons are often taught in the context of myths and legends about Joseph Smith, or characters in the Book of Mormon or Bible, is not that big of a deal to me.  I think children are well-equipped to learn through stories that are presented as true, whether they actually are or not.  It is not much different to me than using any other more conventional fairy tales to teach morality and ethics (i.e. Goldilocks and the Three Bears, or Santa Claus), so I have gone along with the process, limiting my input to questions meant to gauge their understanding of the lessons they learn in church.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go to church, and my kids notice that.  But just like times when they notice that Santa doesn&#8217;t being me very many presents, I refrain from completely leveling with them.  My response so far has been to say that I have graduated from church, just like I graduated from school.  I can say this with sincerity, because it is the truth, from my perspective.  It works as an answer for my kids and my wife, because, just like school, I am not giving them a reason to give her trouble about staying home.  They go and learn their lessons, just like their mom and I went when we were their age, and they will have a chance to &#8220;graduate&#8221; when they are old enough to make that decision.  We have stayed vague about the details of graduation.</p>
<p>Of course, as our kids get older, the focus of the lessons taught in the Church will gradually change from teaching them basic moral and ethical concepts to indoctrinating them into the LDS worldview (regarding gender roles, sexuality, sin, Truth, religious authority, non-LDS beliefs, etc.).  I do have serious concerns about that, but my wife and I haven&#8217;t formally developed a game plan for dealing with it yet.  I might write more about the issue in a future post.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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		<title>My Testimonies: Example 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had experiences with testimony.  Lots of them.   Here is Example 2:
When I was 18 years old, I realized that I was mere months away from high school graduation, and that I was expected to follow through on my lifelong plan to go on a two-year mission for the LDS Church, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had experiences with <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/246/testimony" target="_blank">testimony</a>.  Lots of them.   Here is Example 2:</p>
<p>When I was 18 years old, I realized that I was mere months away from high school graduation, and that I was expected to follow through on my lifelong plan to go on a two-year mission for the LDS Church, during which time I would work to persuade people to join the Church. I decided that I should prepare for my mission by making an effort to learn more about the Church than I had learned in Sunday school and daily seminary classes.</p>
<p>I found a book on my dad&#8217;s bookshelf titled <a href="http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/indian/cover.htm" target="_blank"><em>Indian Origins and the Book of Mormon</em></a>. <span id="more-275"></span>I thought that would be a great place for me to start supplementing my understanding, since the Book of Mormon&#8211;a key proselyting tool for LDS missionaries&#8211;is about the Semitic ancestors of the present-day Native Americans. I stood at the bookshelf thumbing through the book, and soon my excited curiosity turned to confusion, and then to alarm, as I realized that the author of the book was coming from the perspective that Joseph Smith had written the Book of Mormon himself, and that it wasn&#8217;t actually a literal history of the ancient American inhabitants merely discovered and translated by Joseph Smith. I was astonished that a scholarly book with that thesis could be published, since it seemed so mind-blowingly counter to all I had been taught about the <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=56a6ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____" target="_blank">&#8220;keystone of our religion&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>I immediately went and asked my dad about the book. Why did he have it? Did he believe its assertion that the Book of Mormon is not a product of divine intervention?</p>
<p>I know what you might be thinking. This is the part where my dad smiles at me and says &#8220;Congratulations son, you have just discovered one of the secrets we adults in the Church keep from the kids until they are ready to take the next step into adulthood. You are mature enough now to learn that there is actually no hard evidence substantiating Joseph Smith&#8217;s claims about the Book of Mormon&#8211;no ancient American artifacts pointing to the Semitic people described in the book, no proof that Joseph dug the plates out of the ground at the direction of an angel, and not even any evidence that Joseph Smith had the ability to translate ancient languages into English (in fact, he feigned that ability more than once, with disastrous results). Even if you aren&#8217;t convinced that the book is literally true, there are valuable lessons and principles in it that I hope have shaped your understanding of yourself and your culture, and have given you reference points for exploring and conceptualizing your newly-expanded world. I&#8217;m proud of you for autonomously reaching for knowledge beyond what you are spoon-fed, and I am certain that if you continue actively pursuing knowledge, you will reap great rewards throughout your life. Lets go grab dinner and celebrate.  My treat.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what happened. My dad seemed taken aback by my questions. He told me that he had read a lot of books contradicting the claims of Mormonism, but he had never read anything that overcame his feeling&#8211;his testimony&#8211;that the LDS Church is absolutely God&#8217;s one true church. My anxiety was assuaged to some extent just by the notion that my dad had faced down those competing theories about our religion, but was still convinced of its truth. I thought maybe I could still consider serving a mission, despite realizing that there was serious, reasoned (published) opposition to my worldview out there that I knew very little about. I wondered if, instead of engaging that opposition, I could simply pray to Heavenly Father and ask him to give me a testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, like my dad had.</p>
<p>I went to my room, closed the door, got down on my knees and prepared to pray for a long time. This wasn&#8217;t going to be easy. Anxiety and doubts kept coming over me in waves. I began the prayer, concentrating all of my energy on communicating with God. Then, suddenly, I couldn&#8217;t remember why I was praying. I knew that I had been very worked up and worried about something, but I just couldn&#8217;t remember what it was. The burden was gone; I felt free and light. I remember wiping the tears from my eyes and laughing out loud to myself about the whole crazy situation. I got in bed and went peacefully to sleep.</p>
<p>The next morning, I was able to remember the whole incident. I still had the same questions about the Book of Mormon, but they just didn&#8217;t seem as intense or important as before. I was a bit disappointed that I hadn&#8217;t had a stereotypical &#8220;Holy Ghost&#8221; feeling confirming the truth of the Book of Mormon, but then I remembered a passsage of scripture that seemed applicable. I opened <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/9/8-9#8" target="_blank">Doctrine &amp; Covenants 9:8-9</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>8. But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.</p>
<p>9. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I read that and realized that I had been looking for a verse 8 &#8220;bosom shall burn within you&#8221; feeling confirming that the Book of Mormon was true, but when I forgot my worry that the Book of Mormon might not be true, I was actually having a verse 9 &#8220;stupor of thought&#8221; causing me to &#8220;forget the thing that was wrong&#8221;. I was very pleased and relieved to realize that I had gotten the message from the Holy Ghost, and could say that I had a testimony that the Book of Mormon was true. Whatever books were out there denying that fact could wait until I completed my mission.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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		<title>Jack Mormons and Apostates</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are basically two kinds of people who leave the LDS Church. I will call them &#8220;Jack Mormons&#8221; and &#8220;Apostates&#8221;. Apostates are people who leave (or are excommunicated) because they have stopped believing in some or all of the religious tenets of the LDS faith. Jack Mormons are people who leave (or are excommunicated) for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are basically two kinds of people who leave the LDS Church. I will call them &#8220;Jack Mormons&#8221; and &#8220;Apostates&#8221;. Apostates are people who leave (or are excommunicated) because they have stopped believing in some or all of the religious tenets of the LDS faith. Jack Mormons are people who leave (or are excommunicated) for reasons other than non-belief, like being unable or unwilling to follow the rules, or because of interpersonal conflicts with other community members.</p>
<p><span id="more-149"></span>Jack Mormons, despite having left the Church, continue to view the world essentially through the lens of Mormonism, and maintain the essential beliefs of the mainstream LDS Church. They are basically <em>orthodox</em> (i.e., correct in their religious beliefs), but they are not <em>orthoprax</em> (i.e., correct in their religious practices). Jack Mormons and mainstream members of the LDS Church get along pretty well, because Jack Mormons confirm and support LDS religious beliefs; their only problem is failing to obey the rules.   They agree that they aren&#8217;t doing what they are &#8220;supposed&#8221; to do, and they can often be coaxed back into participation.</p>
<p>Apostates are a different story. Apostates and mainstream members of the LDS Church generally have a much harder time getting along, because Apostates are often neither orthodox nor orthoprax&#8211;they have knowingly discarded the essential LDS paradigm and beliefs, and that is why they do not obey the rules. The dynamic of the relationship is different from the relationship with Jack Mormons&#8211;it&#8217;s not merely about participating (&#8221;active&#8221;) vs. non-participating (&#8221;inactive&#8221;) Mormons, it&#8217;s about believing vs. non-believing Mormons. When believing Mormons engage Apostates, they come dangerously close to questioning their own beliefs, and becoming Apostates themselves. Not surprisingly, the LDS Church openly demonizes and belittles people it considers to be Apostates, and teaches that they are covenant-breaking servants of Satan (see, for example, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=3518b00367c45110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">this 2007 adult Sunday school lesson, titled &#8220;Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy&#8221;</a>, which was recently presented in LDS congregations worldwide).</p>
<p>Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland <a href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-1117-28,00.html" target="_blank">recently publicly belittled</a> people who don&#8217;t believe in the literal historicity of the Book of Mormon.  He called them &#8220;foolish&#8221;, &#8220;misled&#8221;, and &#8220;deceived&#8221;, and derided their attempts to explain the origins of the Book of Mormon  in naturalistic terms as &#8220;pathetic&#8221;.  He likened people who leave the Church for intellectual reasons to insects or vermin of some sort who have to &#8220;crawl over, or under, or around the Book of Mormon to make that exit.&#8221;   Jeffrey R. Holland apparently likes to pontificate about the awful fates and consequences that await intellectual dissenters from the Church (<a href="http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,89-1-353-29,00.html" target="_blank">and their children</a>).  I wrote more about that <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Obviously, if you want to leave, but still maintain relatively positive contact and open relationships with members of LDS communities, it is easier to be a Jack Mormon than to be an Apostate.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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