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		<title>Some Things Cannot be Changed</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is another post inspired, in part, by a reader&#8217;s comment.  Deep Throat in the Deep South,1 in a comment rich with interesting Mormon cultural material, wrote the following:
Every blessing we have is predicated upon a law. You break the law, the blessing is gone.
There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another post inspired, in part, by a reader&#8217;s <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/402/polygyny/comment-page-1#comment-345" target="_blank">comment</a>.  Deep Throat in the Deep South,<sup>1</sup> in a comment rich with interesting Mormon cultural material, wrote the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Every blessing we have is predicated upon a law. You break the law, the blessing is gone.</p>
<p>There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated— And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated. (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/20-21#20" target="_blank">D&amp;C 130: 20-21</a>)<sup>2</sup></p>
<p>One must be intelligent not to confuse administrative actions with the Gospel of Jesus Christ (i.e. truth) in its purest mode. There is a different between administration of earthly issues, the Truth of the Gospel, and, and what I call the “Doctrine of the Culture,” that some people cling to instead of the doctrine.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a Mormon, I struggled with the legalistic LDS belief that all blessings a person receives from God are actually dependent upon his or her obedience to a specific Law (or body of Laws) of Heaven.  The reason I struggled is that I could never pin down exactly what the Law was, despite the fact that I was desperate to follow it.  (That seems to be <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/441/rules-we-dont-know-about" target="_blank">a common theme</a> in the LDS Church.)<span id="more-457"></span> I studied the teachings of Mormon prophets over the 150+ year life of the LDS Church and found that certain Laws (or doctrines) they emphasized as &#8220;eternal&#8221; and &#8220;fundamental&#8221; to God&#8217;s plan for humanity had changed over time.  This was very distressing to me, as I had been taught my whole life that God&#8217;s Laws are eternal and unchanging, because they are based on Truth, which is eternal.  I was taught that the doctrines of Mormonism embody the sum of those unchanging Laws.  Clearly, however, doctrines had been changing and evolving the whole time.<sup>3</sup></p>
<p>Once I realized this was the case, the contradiction between reality and what I had been taught and always believed about the LDS Church caused me to lose much of my confidence in the Church as the one true organization of God on Earth. I tried to figure out ways to reconcile the contradictions, trying to make distinctions between them that allowed both to be true at the same time.  My mind was working in ways similar to Deep Throat above, conceptually separating &#8220;doctrine&#8221; and &#8220;Truth&#8221; from &#8220;Mormon culture&#8221; and &#8220;folklore&#8221; in an effort to define the consistent Laws in LDS teachings upon which all blessings are predicated.<sup>4</sup>  Despite my best efforts, I was largely unsuccessful at convincing myself that the contradictions weren&#8217;t really contradictions, and that there was a consistent Law of the Gospel buried in Mormon beliefs.</p>
<p>When the believers in my family learned of my confusion, they pulled all of the strings they could to get me some help.  They put me in contact with Max Anderson, an LDS apologist, who had published <a href="http://www.shields-research.org/Books/Polygamy_Story/LDS-Funde_Polygamy_Story.htm" target="_blank">a book</a> defending mainstream LDS beliefs by deconstructing Mormon Fundamentalist claims to divine authority.  Max and his wife were very kind to me, and they had me over to their house on several occasions to sit in their living room and talk through my concerns.  A few times, Max invited other apologists to join us and discuss issues they had researched.  These meetings presented me with various ways of parsing the contradictions so that they made more sense.</p>
<p>One meeting in particular really blew my mind.  At that meeting, Eldon Watson, who had compiled <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_joqHQAACAAJ&amp;source=gbs_ViewAPI" target="_blank">a book</a> of Brigham Young&#8217;s writings, attempted the mindbending feat of explaining how everything Brigham Young taught is in harmony with mainstream LDS beliefs about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  I was flabbergasted to learn that what made it all fit together for him was to draw a distinction between &#8220;LDS doctrine&#8221; and &#8221;Truth&#8221;.  The key, he explained, is to understand that Truth is eternal and unchanging, but LDS doctrine is only an expression of the Church&#8217;s acknowledged beliefs at a specific moment in time.  Thus, LDS doctrine when Brigham Young was alive included polygamy as a requirement to get into the highest part of heaven, but current LDS doctrine does not.</p>
<p>This idea was shocking to me because, despite its (semi)effectiveness as a logical solution to the problem of contradiction in authoritative LDS teachings, the concept is clearly heretical.  All LDS Church leaders I know of, and regular members alike, have talked about LDS doctrine as embodying &#8220;the fullness of the Gospel&#8221;.  Any past changes have been carefully characterized as <em>adding more previously unrevealed Truth </em>to the doctrine, because Truth is what LDS doctrine is all about.  Watson was explaining that doctrine freely changes with the needs of the Church at the given moment&#8211;things that are Truth, like the divine nature of polygamy, can be taken out and disavowed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Watson, in offering up his idea, was mainly just trying to accommodate the fact that Church President Gordon B. Hinckley had recently blurted out, on international television, that polygamy is not doctrinal<sup>5</sup> when it had clearly been doctrinal (though not always practiced) during the previous 100+ years of LDS Church existence.  I think, however, that drawing a distinction between doctrine and Truth is just an apologetic invention, and has never been part of Church teachings. As far as I know, President Brigham Young never made that distinction, and Apostle Boyd K. Packer (currently the next in line to be President of the Church) doesn&#8217;t seem to have gotten the memo either, because he has taught that <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=f51a425e0848b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" target="_blank">Some things cannot be changed. Doctrine cannot be changed.</a> And understandably so.  Malleable doctrine undermines the authority of Church leaders, because it means that at least sometimes what they teach is not the real Truth, and therefore need not be obeyed.  This is also the reason why Mormons almost never admit (with any specificity) that Church leaders make mistakes.  Changing doctrine is just a slow-motion mistake.</p>
<p>Funny, though, because now that I have apostatized, I agree with Elden Watson.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
<p>_______________________</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_457" class="footnote">Yeah, the irony of an apparently straight-laced Mormon naming him or herself Deep Throat hasn&#8217;t escaped me.  I assume the name is referring somehow to the Watergate informant, rather than the classic porn movie from which the informant&#8217;s pseudonym was derived.  Then again, either reference is kind of random.</li><li id="footnote_1_457" class="footnote">By the way, this section of the Doctrine &amp; Covenants (which is LDS scripture on par with the Bible or the Book of Mormon) is a treasure trove of canonized Mormon oddities, like Joseph Smith&#8217;s unfulfilled prediction about growing unrest in the American South (that eventually developed into the Civil War) being a precursor to the second coming of Jesus Christ, his cautiously hedged prediction that Jesus Christ&#8217;s second coming would happen prior to his 85th birthday (1890), his explanation for why the Holy Ghost is incorporeal, his insight into the planets that God and the angels live on, his view of what the afterlife is generally like, and other fun stuff.  Definitely worth a read, since these things are part of the &#8220;meat&#8221; of the Gospel that Mormons don&#8217;t share with outsiders very often (the &#8220;milk&#8221; always comes first).</li><li id="footnote_2_457" class="footnote">For example, the <a href="http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/essays/mormonpolygamy.htm" target="_blank">importance of polygamy</a> in attaining the highest glory in the Celestial Kingdom, the meaning and importance of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Wisdom#Application_by_Joseph_Smith.2C_Jr." target="_blank">Doctrine &amp; Covenants 89 (the &#8220;Word of Wisdom&#8221;)</a>, the role of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement" target="_blank">Blood Atonement</a> in the Gospel, the meaning and importance of Joseph Smith&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision#Interpretations_and_responses_to_the_vision" target="_blank">First Vision</a>, the role of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)" target="_blank">seer stones</a> and other implements of folk magic in the Gospel, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#Racial_restriction_policy" target="_blank">role and meaning of race</a> in determining worthiness to hold the Priesthood, the ancestral origins of the <a href="http://webspace.webring.com/people/np/potai/indian.htm" target="_blank">American Indians</a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_geography_model" target="_blank">location of lands and people</a> featured in Book of Mormon, the <a href="http://www.i4m.com/think/temples/temple_changes.htm" target="_blank">eternal and unchanging nature </a>of LDS temple ceremonies and other Priesthood ordinances, etc.</li><li id="footnote_3_457" class="footnote">I never went as far as Deep Throat has, however, in making distinctions between “administration of earthly issues” and “the Gospel of Jesus Christ (i.e. truth) in its purest mode”, probably because that contradicts the basic Mormon belief that God doesn’t give any exclusively “earthly” rules–they are all applicable to spiritual matters (see <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/34-35#29" target="_blank">D&amp; C 29:34-35</a>).</li><li id="footnote_4_457" class="footnote"><strong>Larry King</strong>: You condemn it [polygamy].</p>
<p><strong>Gordon B. Hinckley</strong>: I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal. And this church takes the position that we will abide by the law. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml">–1998 Larry King interview of Gordon B. Hinckley, prophet and President of the LDS Church</a></li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>About the Kids</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader posted a comment recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my previous post, and the second one here.
Mormon Woman Wondering asked:
Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery#comment-309" target="_blank">posted a comment</a> recently, asking two questions.  Good ones.  I answered the first one in my <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/707/the-pain-of-lost-faith" target="_blank">previous post</a>, and the second one here.</p>
<p>Mormon Woman Wondering asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Please help me understand how you&#8230;speak with your children, with integrity to your beliefs and with sensitivity to their need for something to hold onto in this world.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a tough question, particularly for somebody like me, with a spouse who is active in the Church, and who wants our kids to be active too.  Obviously, my solution is a compromise, and could possibly have been different if she felt differently.  But I think this solution does take into account the potential need for kids to have something to hold onto as they develop their own worldview.<span id="more-710"></span></p>
<p>As background, I think it is useful to note that my wife and I share the opinion that childhood is a key time for a person to learn basic lessons about how the world works, and the older a person gets, the more costly those lessons will generally become (e.g., getting caught cheating on a test when you are eight years old is less costly than getting caught cheating on a final exam in college).  As parents, we have a chance to control, to a significant extent, the circumstances under which our children get their lessons, in order to best help them prepare for adulthood and the real world.  The issue my wife and I are dealing with, then, is deciding which circumstances are best for teaching our kids the lessons.</p>
<p>My wife believes that going to church is a good way for the kids to get some of those lessons, and at the age the kids are at right now (5-9 years old), I agree.  At this age, the church teaches kids simple lessons about gratitude, sharing with others, respect for other people, honesty, obedience, and other basic concepts that help them get along in society.  The fact that these lessons are often taught in the context of myths and legends about Joseph Smith, or characters in the Book of Mormon or Bible, is not that big of a deal to me.  I think children are well-equipped to learn through stories that are presented as true, whether they actually are or not.  It is not much different to me than using any other more conventional fairy tales to teach morality and ethics (i.e. Goldilocks and the Three Bears, or Santa Claus), so I have gone along with the process, limiting my input to questions meant to gauge their understanding of the lessons they learn in church.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go to church, and my kids notice that.  But just like times when they notice that Santa doesn&#8217;t being me very many presents, I refrain from completely leveling with them.  My response so far has been to say that I have graduated from church, just like I graduated from school.  I can say this with sincerity, because it is the truth, from my perspective.  It works as an answer for my kids and my wife, because, just like school, I am not giving them a reason to give her trouble about staying home.  They go and learn their lessons, just like their mom and I went when we were their age, and they will have a chance to &#8220;graduate&#8221; when they are old enough to make that decision.  We have stayed vague about the details of graduation.</p>
<p>Of course, as our kids get older, the focus of the lessons taught in the Church will gradually change from teaching them basic moral and ethical concepts to indoctrinating them into the LDS worldview (regarding gender roles, sexuality, sin, Truth, religious authority, non-LDS beliefs, etc.).  I do have serious concerns about that, but my wife and I haven&#8217;t formally developed a game plan for dealing with it yet.  I might write more about the issue in a future post.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
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		<title>The Pain of Lost Faith</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader posted a comment recently, asking two questions. Good ones. I will answer one of them here, and the other one in my next post.
Mormon Woman Wondering asked:
Please help me understand how you bore the gut-hole created by losing your faith.
I am not sure I understand what &#8220;gut-hole&#8221; means in this context. I have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/8/camping-at-the-periphery#comment-309" target="_blank">posted a comment</a> recently, asking two questions. Good ones. I will answer one of them here, and the other one in my <a href="http://www.poorwayfaringman.net/blog/archives/710/about-the-kids" target="_blank">next post</a>.</p>
<p>Mormon Woman Wondering asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Please help me understand how you bore the gut-hole created by losing your faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not sure I understand what &#8220;gut-hole&#8221; means in this context. I have some guesses: Is it the psychological turmoil a person goes through when the philosophical basis for her lifestyle and choices is revealed to be deeply flawed and unreliable, and needs to be replaced? Is it the anxiety that accompanies the realization that she doesn&#8217;t know what to replace it with? Is it the nagging worry that she has set her children up to fail&#8211;to trust people and ideas that are not trustworthy? Is it the disappointment at finding that so much of her life has been spent earnestly pursuing and investing in what is ultimately a high-stakes fantasy?<span id="more-707"></span></p>
<p>I think I relate to each of these possibilities, but the intensity of my experience has probably been tempered by the fact that I could never really fully commit to the social aspects of the LDS Church. I grew up in Salt Lake City, but never went to a stake dance, never attended a single&#8217;s ward, and never had friendships that started at church. In fact, a large proportion of my friends were not active members of the Church, and I spent my weekends with a mother who left the Church when I was four years old. The social experience was not why I went to Church every week, so changing my mind about Mormonism didn&#8217;t require much of a change in my lifestyle (i.e., I didn&#8217;t lose any important social outlets, business relationships, etc.). As an adult, I went to church in an effort to test and prove Mormonism as an exceptional and holy way of life&#8211;I lived my life as if Mormonism was everything it claimed to be, but I never forgot that I was making assumptions about it that needed to be confirmed. I also took a few years to gradually scale back my participation, and I left while my kids were small (all below 5 years old). I think all of that has taken an edge off of the angst that other people who stop believing have to deal with.</p>
<p>Even if my angst was tempered by the happy accident of my personality and life circumstances, I&#8217;ve still had my share of inner turmoil as I considered my terribly flawed reasons for making huge life decisions (marriage, kids, career, etc.), and the likelihood that they would turn out to be bad risks and huge mistakes. I&#8217;ve found a bit of comfort, however, in a very strange place (for a Mormon). In high school, I read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)" target="_blank"><em>Siddhartha</em>, by Herman Hesse</a>, and a central theme of the novel has always resonated with me: paths we take in life, things we commit to, choices we make, situations we find ourselves in, even if they end in disaster, are experiences that give us more insight into reality. Thus, neither successes nor failures are wasted experiences&#8211;we gain wisdom and understanding from both.<sup>1</sup> Once I accept that idea, it&#8217;s hard for me to get too worked up about having spent a couple of decades in an authoritarian religion. The experience taught me valuable lessons that apply to broader aspects of humanity (business organizations, government, etc.), and have helped me better understand how the world works.</p>
<p>-PWM</p>
<p>___________________________</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_707" class="footnote">Mormonism actually teaches a species of this concept too, in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/122/5-7#5" target="_blank">D&amp;C 122:5-7</a>.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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